[Panel Discussion] Mentorship, Investment and New Funding Models

by Joash Wee

IMG_20100601_103652Jeffrey Paine from Founder Institute started off the discssion on investment at echelon 2010 with the usual introductions and the first question, how does operating an incubator in Asia differs from The Valley and how failures can be minimized?

Dave was quick to answer that we should instead focus on maximizing failure where it will quicken the learning curve and achieve more. It looks like its the survival of the fittest theory for Dave, letting things run its course.

Talking about China, Chris explains about the almost non-existant seed fund scene in the country. With promising human capital in China, Innovation Works is setting out to build an incubator to tackle this problem. His take is that investment models should be versatile, as startups are, in this ever-changing environment. Joi explains on the hierarchy system in Japan where sub-companies are not expected to out-perform their parent company. A different story when we talk about smaller startups being more versatile and efficient than larger giants, and therefore being able to outdo them. Joi also explained his views on the incubator environment and how they are significantly different from other parts of the world before being interrupted by Dave McClure and an interesting East meets West argument ensued. Follow our live stream to try and catch the investors taking it out on each other.

Saeed’s brought out his somewhat controversial opinion on how incubators can make money through real estate, data centers and events while using this platform to meet entrepreneurs and invest in accelerating their ideas. By maintaining a positive cash-flow on these sectors, it allows incubators to focus on the investment arm and identify the next big idea. On the other hand, Jouko’s opinion still lies heavily with what Grow VC does, crowd funding. He believes that the incubator environment can be open, allowing anyone to invest in a potentially successful startup.

Question of the day: Why build a business into an incubator? Provide them the services they need to build up faster, for free.

Given that he made the statement on earning from incubator facilities, Saeed took the bullet by saying that he does not like an entrepreneur who can not pay rent. His defense was that a free model and subsidies does not churn out successful startups. It seems like Plug & Play believes in the stick more than the carrot. A point that seems valid when talking about preparing startups for the real world, we have seen it all. Google, Apple, Facebook and Microsoft do not play nice.

With the general consensus that there is not one-size-fits-all investment model, it would be wise to say that the panelist should agree to disagree, given their diverse backgrounds.

 

 

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  • http://twitter.com/E27sg E27sg

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    Instead of minimizing risk, maximize failure to quicken the learning curve and gain more. Interesting. http://bit.ly/aMYXmr
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  • Bigjoe

    Its nothing new – in the brick-mortar-world, its called the IMF formula. Provide financing and let the fittest survive. That theory has been debunked because of the region poor fundamental of undemocratic governancet and institutional biases. I think its all fine and dandy if entreprenuers have a choice to try repeatedly in different places/markets in a large market like China and India but it does not work in small markets. Singapore can try by attracting the best and brightest in the region and kicking out the failures but its people are starting to resent that because the safety net such as low-cost living, public housing, cheap transport, grants meant to protect/help local failures ends up protecting foreign failures even more.

  • Bigjoe

    Its nothing new – in the brick-mortar-world, its called the IMF formula. Provide financing and let the fittest survive. That theory has been debunked because of the region poor fundamental of undemocratic governancet and institutional biases. I think its all fine and dandy if entreprenuers have a choice to try repeatedly in different places/markets in a large market like China and India but it does not work in small markets. Singapore can try by attracting the best and brightest in the region and kicking out the failures but its people are starting to resent that because the safety net such as low-cost living, public housing, cheap transport, grants meant to protect/help local failures ends up protecting foreign failures even more.

  • http://www.growvc.com Valto

    Let’s see if all of these views can be put to some good use. As all of these have good points in each.

    Like an athletic, as an entrepreneur, you should always “take on” more than you can handle or that you feel you have skills for. – Or you will never learn to know your limits…

    Sometimes safety nets are needed, but those should not be too close to you, to not be afraid to fall. Making things too easy will not generate brave entrepreneurs. I think the best models are not “for free”, but something affordable and/or with time limit to succeed or fall (fail).

    Models that work around those guidelines are best for entrepreneurs:

    1. as it’s not free but affordable, there is a commitment to make you serious
    2. as there is time limit, you start the clock when you are already prepared for the run, so you have best change of success
    3. as there is time limit, those bound to fail/fall will do so fast enough to learn and move on to the next idea.
    4. some safety net (way down) makes sure you dont die, but feel the pain and get some scars to show you have been in the battle. To make you lean and do it better in the next time around (come better prepared, with better team, do more, etc.)

  • http://www.growvc.com Valto

    Let’s see if all of these views can be put to some good use. As all of these have good points in each.

    Like an athletic, as an entrepreneur, you should always “take on” more than you can handle or that you feel you have skills for. – Or you will never learn to know your limits…

    Sometimes safety nets are needed, but those should not be too close to you, to not be afraid to fall. Making things too easy will not generate brave entrepreneurs. I think the best models are not “for free”, but something affordable and/or with time limit to succeed or fall (fail).

    Models that work around those guidelines are best for entrepreneurs:

    1. as it’s not free but affordable, there is a commitment to make you serious
    2. as there is time limit, you start the clock when you are already prepared for the run, so you have best change of success
    3. as there is time limit, those bound to fail/fall will do so fast enough to learn and move on to the next idea.
    4. some safety net (way down) makes sure you dont die, but feel the pain and get some scars to show you have been in the battle. To make you lean and do it better in the next time around (come better prepared, with better team, do more, etc.)

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